Two kinds of stuck

Two kinds of stuck

Robbie Swale is a coach, and his method for getting unstuck takes twelve minutes. He built it on a commuter train — write while the train is moving, stop when it stops, proofread once, post it — and ran it weekly for three years, which is how something like a hundred and forty blog posts became a book. Then he sat on the finished manuscript for two years.

He says the twelve minutes is “a brilliantly arbitrary amount of time”; the number is not the point. Choose a fixed stretch, do the work inside it, and if you have made a thing, “you just share it.” Applied to a podcast, he says, the beautiful theme tune and the poetic intro are the finishing touches — what matters is that the episode is out at all.


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What the method is for is narrower than “getting unstuck” makes it sound, and the giveaway is in his own title. The first book to come out of it is called How to Start When You’re Stuck. The anxiety it was built to solve was not about finishing something already underway; it was about pressing the post button at all. He describes going ten times round in his head over whether to post a joke about football, then designing an experiment with his coach: five articles, five train rides. The problem was never a missing destination. It was that he could not get anything out of the building.

Which is what makes the next part worth a podcaster’s attention. He ran into a second kind of stuck, and it was not the kind his method was built for.

“I’d actually written a book that said something — not just a random collection of thoughts. And in the end — and this is important — I then procrastinated on that for two years. For various, like all procrastination, very good reasons.”

Two years is not a starting problem. He had already started — three years of pieces and a manuscript. The twelve-minute method had beaten his starting problem every week for three years, and here it did not help. What he names from those two years is not a burst of short sessions but a piece of structural advice: rather than one slightly-too-long book with four parts, four short books, one per stage of the creative process. He doesn’t say outright that this freed the thing. But it is the change he reaches for in explaining how the book finally came out — a decision about shape and destination, not about starting.

From the inside the two kinds of stuck feel identical. Both present as not-doing-the-thing, and both arrive with the same guilt. Reaching for the wrong tool is expensive either way. Sit down for twelve arbitrary minutes when your show has no shape and you will produce another episode that goes nowhere, faster. Try to work out where the whole thing is going when you have simply never pressed record, and you will build a strategy document instead of a podcast.

What separates them is what your next action is missing. If you know exactly what the next episode is and cannot make yourself make it, that is Swale’s problem, and twelve arbitrary minutes will beat it. If you can make episodes fine — you have made thirty of them — and the trouble is that you no longer know what they are accumulating toward, no amount of arbitrary time will help, because what is missing is not momentum.

Swale’s method is better than its reputation precisely because it is narrower. It solves one problem completely, and he marks its limit himself with a two-year gap he is unusually honest about. He is saying all this on a show whose host records without editing and publishes minutes after they stop talking — a format Swale himself points out resembles his method. The conversation ships. The manuscript sat for two years. Both are true of the same man, and neither is the exception.


This field note references the Podtalk episode “Unstuck with Robbie Swale,” published February 4, 2022.

This work was produced using AI language models directed through an editorial system designed by Craig Constantine. The author selected all source material, designed the creative framework, directed the editorial process, and made all acceptance and revision decisions. The prose was generated by AI under sustained human editorial direction.


This is a companion discussion topic for the original entry at https://podtalk.show/two-kinds-of-stuck/

Aside: I thought I had a small thing to share. This got large :slight_smile:

Aside 2: It is odd that these show up as posted by me; The AI disclaimer stapled onto each one as they publish is for real. I could pour a lot of time into changing who and how they post here, but that’s time better spent elsewhere.

The publishing house I built which writes those little essays delights me constantly.

…but this one was like a glass of water in the face.

As many of you know, I’m still working through cancer treatment (two years now) and in December of 2025 I finally was honest enough to stop doing guest outreach entirely — putting all of my podcasting on hold.

But I missed it. I missed the conversations. Which is great, because one of the reasons I was finally able to completely stop 9 months ago was to see if I really missed it. I’ve been podcasting, podcasting, podcasting, for 10 years, and I could no longer distinguish habit from a valuable practice.

Increasingly, I’ve been thinking of pressing RESUME. I’ve been thinking that the Open + Curious podcast was going to be the show that, finally, got started. “Yes, perhaps that was the way to go,” and to leave Movers Mindset and Podatlk to rest in peace. (Relax. I’m talking about the podcast not the community.)

Then three weeks ago, someone who has been on my Movers Mindset “I would like to talk with…” guest list for years — a been-on-Oprah scale of guest — emailed me out of the blue.

And my reaction was OH HELL YES! …not because they’re famous (in the circles where they’re famous) but because I immediately had a bunch of things I wanted to learn from them.

Aside 3: The recording is in 4 hours.

Then, just now, I read this little essay and I’m aground on this paragraph…

Do I divert this person to the O+C show (which is not what they had in mind when they reached out)?

…do I do this as an MM episode, resurrecting that show?

…do I wave off like a crappy podcaster at the last minute?

…when will the rhetorical questions and second-guessing end?

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