Summary
Explore the interaction of audio and video, as Craig and Jason discuss the crucial importance of nonverbal cues, the frustrations of unreliable Wi-Fi, and the irreplaceable value of face-to-face interactions in the world of podcasting.
Episode Audio
I had that [imposter syndrome] with my clients too… They can’t start their first episode because they don’t like the sound of their voice. ~Jason Tieri
In a captivating conversation, hosts Craig and Jason dive deep into the realm of podcasting, sharing their personal reflections and experiences. They explore the reasons behind their aversion to listening to their own work, discovering the mix of imposter syndrome and the fear of uncovering mistakes.
I’m always surprised at actually how good [my episodes] are. ~Craig Constantine
I think I just don’t want to listen to [my own work] for a third time. ~Jason Tieri
With a humorous touch, they discuss the perils of vocal quirks and mouth noises, shedding light on how some hosts may unintentionally overlook these aspects. They also touch upon the significance of video in podcasting, highlighting the benefits of nonverbal cues and the challenges of unreliable Wi-Fi. Ultimately, their discussion serves as a reminder of the constant learning and growth that podcasting entails.
5 takeaways
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Imposter Syndrome: Both Craig and Jason discuss experiencing imposter syndrome, highlighting a common struggle among podcasters and content creators. This psychological phenomenon adds a layer of relatability and vulnerability to their conversation.
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Importance of Video: Jason emphasizes the importance of video in podcasting, not only for visual cues but also for better communication and understanding between hosts and guests. This insight sheds light on the multifaceted nature of podcasting and the role that different mediums can play in enhancing the overall experience.
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Personal Growth: Jason mentions going through therapy during the course of his podcast, “Threads Podcast: Life Unfiltered.” This indicates that podcasting can be a transformative journey, leading to personal growth and self-reflection for hosts and guests alike.
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Balancing Self-Criticism and Appreciation: Craig expresses both surprise at the quality of his podcast episodes and a persistent self-critical mindset. This internal struggle highlights the delicate balance between recognizing one’s accomplishments and constantly striving for improvement, which many podcasters can relate to.
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Technical Challenges: The conversation briefly touches upon the challenges of internet connectivity and bandwidth, particularly when recording interviews with guests from different locations. This showcases the practical difficulties that podcasters face and the importance of stable internet connections for a seamless recording experience.
References
https://www.heyguysmediagroup.com: This is Jason’s production company, Hey Guys Media Group.
https://gigeconomyshow.com: This is The Gig Economy Podcast, which focuses on gig work and covers topics related to platforms like Uber, DoorDash, Lyft, and Instacart.
https://threadspodcast.com: Threads Podcast: Life Unfiltered is the show Jason recently completed.
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Transcript
00:00.48
Craig
Hello I’m Craig Constantine welcome to Podtalk, short conversations with indie podcasters which are not just about podcasting because I like to take the scenic route. My guest today is Jason Tieri. Welcome, Jason how are you this morning I think we’re in the same time zone.
00:15.74
Jason
Yeah, we are I am doing well, it’s a beautiful morning here in Grand Rapids Michigan and I’m I’m happy for the warm weather.
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00:25.91
Craig
Um, amen the weather in I’m in Eastern Pennsylvania has been disconcertingly gorgeous like I keep waiting like where’s the tornado or the hurricanes I get nervous when it’s this nice but my wife is telling me we need rain.
00:36.68
Jason
Right? Yes, little but drive right now.
00:43.29
Craig
Yeah, um, a mutual friend of ours who did on a previous episode with me said you need to talk to Jason and um, my answer is usually like absolutely whenever anybody says that so thanks for dropping in um, ah people who listen to the show know i.
00:53.60
Jason
Um, yes, yes.
00:59.57
Craig
Pause a lot and it means I can’t decide what to say because there’s too many I’m like a kid in a candy store I Think what I’m most interested in is your perspective viewpoint input comments anything you want to share from the I’m going to say behind the scenes part. So The post-production work that you do. You’ve also got a lot of experience in front of the mic which obviously people can hear Um, but I guess the place to start is um I’m just going to jump like right in because we’ve been talking beforehand when you’re getting um tape recorded stuff from people that you’re working with how do you get through. Like oh this could be so much better like there’s only so much I can do here in post-production but this could be so much better like how do you balance the urge to like go and coach them do you or do you do that or like oh I’m just going to edit it and that’s as good as I can make it like what goes on in your head in that space.
01:49.87
Jason
Yeah I offer my clients coaching as part of I mean I can’t just I don’t charge for that I charge for my time editing you know I’m not going to say oh you need to pay me an additional amount a month. But. I try to coach them because honestly a lot of these new clients. They’ve never been in front of a mic. So a lot of my coaching is mic placement. Um, where you’re recording. You know those kind of things. Um, but yeah I do it depends on the client I have one that I I can be aggressive.
02:12.48
Craig
Um.
02:22.47
Jason
On the editing I’d be like oh that sounds like dog shit. You know what I mean like I’m just in it and it’s not something that’s like super pertinent. No, but and I usually tell her I I’ll be like hey just let you know at this time I cut this out. It just didn’t flow right? but I also have a client that doesn’t want me to do any of that stuff like I am.
02:25.49
Craig
Yes, it’s not judgmental but it does.
02:42.28
Jason
It is all just ums or you know coffee cups or anything like that. So but it is hard for that one I’ll be like oh my gosh This is terrible. You know what I mean but I but again I do try to give feedback almost every episode like.
02:42.46
Craig
Um.
02:48.28
Craig
Background noise. Yeah, um.
02:58.93
Jason
You know, hey just let you know I’m marking this explicit because you use 6 f-bombs. You know what? I mean you know, but then the next one you know you just got to let them know like and they’re like yeah I’m fine with that. So no, it can be hard not to cut stuff I like the more freedom because my goal is to make them sound amazing and so if I can clean up some.
03:05.77
Craig
Um.
03:17.70
Jason
Some fumbles that really don’t make sense then I I just go ahead and do it. So.
03:20.65
Craig
Yeah, there’s There’s so much. Okay, there’s so much in there about you know I could say oh what as people like me who are on Mic I’m going to resist the urge to go Yes I’m in a hot room I should treat the room but what? what are things that.
03:33.35
Jason
They hit me.
03:38.24
Craig
You see that are like the you know the parito principle the 8020 like if people would just do this one thing like it would fix mouth noise or people need to pause more or like are there. Do you find that there. Like some you know histogram there. Oh These are some big common problems or is it really just like every person on the mic has got different ticks and problems.
04:01.24
Jason
Um, I would say that I mean you talk about treating the room. That’s the that’s my biggest complaint is the echoing of the room I mean ah these these no your sounds great. You must have carpet there.
04:06.50
Craig
Um, I’m sorry it’s It’s pretty I’m standing on a piece of carpet here’s here’s what it sounds like this is what the room sounds like like you can hear. It’s so it’s a little hot. It’s I in a it’s not bad. Yeah.
04:19.29
Jason
Um, oh it’s not ad though. Yeah, but no, that’s my biggest complaint because they’re in a you know couple of my clients are in California there’s not a lot of carpets other and I old rooms and there’s nothing around um mouth.
04:27.31
Craig
Um.
04:31.26
Craig
Echo box.
04:34.62
Jason
Mouth noises aren’t so bad I have software that I can take 90% of those out. Um, but no, it’s just they all have a unique challenge. Um I guess my biggest complaint is getting episodes on time honestly like.
04:47.42
Craig
Oh.
04:49.20
Jason
My new contracts need to say if they’re not here by this date I’m charging fifty bucks just because I have a life too.
04:55.24
Craig
Um, oh because they because you um so do you Also usually do the publication part of it too like what I would call the systems administration. Oh right? So then you’re you’re on there.
05:00.69
Jason
Yep I Do yeah I get everything there the all they need to provide me is the audio and their show notes the rest of it I do yeah.
05:09.80
Craig
Ah, okay, yeah, so you’re under the gun for like it’s supposed to go out on Tuesday at 10 and you send it to me at nine thirty have you ever done any shows.
05:15.60
Jason
Yeah, it’s not happening. It’s going to be late So mom. Yeah.
05:22.19
Craig
Um, yourself or work on production. So the stuff that I do I keep up on schedules in the very very beginning I couldn’t get the stuff out the door and then I had someone on my team and I said to her your job is to hit me with a bat so that this goes out at 10 a m on Wednesdays and she was like okay you know, um, and and now I’m just like screw this I’ve given up. Completely on scheduling. Um so any thoughts on have you done any shows where you haven’t worked on scheduling but haven’t worked on a schedule. Oh dude. Oh my god it’s like crack cocaine. It’s the greatest thing ever.
05:46.00
Jason
I haven’t it sounds amazing. It sounds amazing. But I mean I don’t think it’s I Like you know you know all the tricks in the trade. You’ve heard everything consistency is key for gaining an audience and keeping an audience. You know there’s so much to listen to if you just.
05:58.50
Craig
Yeah.
06:05.12
Jason
You know, don’t don’t post for three weeks they’re gonna be like yeah you fall off so it all depends on what your goals are I like your attitude on a lot of your shows where you’re just like and f it like I’ll throw it up there if they listen to it great I had a good time. That’s all I care about I don’t know if that works for my brain. That’s that’s part of the problem.
06:05.50
Craig
Yeah, your fall off.
06:23.17
Jason
Ah, well problem or good thing. It’s good for my clients right? because I’m very strict on like making sure it sounds as good as I possibly can but and it’s and I’m just that kind of person I’m more schedule oriented and stuff like that. But there there can be stress and I am also pre um can be a what am I trying to say.
06:26.88
Craig
Yeah, disciplined.
06:39.47
Craig
Words and words in a sentence is putting.
06:41.33
Jason
Procrastinator that was rough. Um I always say I’m a podcaster I can’t even talk. Um that I have a client she gives it to me on Wednesday it’s not do tell Monday but there’s Jason Sunday afternoon editing because it doesn’t take long. It’s like less than an hour but I’m like why didn’t I do this early in the week I could have my Sunday afternoon off but no but it’s
06:47.54
Craig
I.
06:59.96
Craig
Um, yeah, um.
07:00.62
Jason
I It’ll be damned if it’ll ever be late. It’ll never be late unless I’m in the hospital.
07:05.13
Craig
Um, yeah I you know it’s it’s um, what do we call that the the I always called that the work ethic like I have a ah personal Stern task master and my work ethic is probably unhealthy. Um.
07:12.87
Jason
Um, yeah.
07:16.73
Jason
Um, yeah.
07:19.20
Craig
But doesn’t sound like you have that that problem. But for me, it can really be a thing to be like this has to get done and I recorded it with Jason and you know I’m already like thinking right? I’m like um this paper I’m writing on is a checklist of what to do in post-production and like it’s you know, simple steps but you know do this and do that and get it out the door and nobody knows that i’m.
07:33.26
Jason
Um, yeah.
07:38.53
Craig
Like the people who listen to the show and there are a few people who are like rabid. It appears they hit play. Um, but they have no idea that I’m recording right now and I think when I take the time to remind myself nobody knows that I’m making an episode I might even end up deleting this I don’t know we’ll see what Jason says at the end so nobody knows Craig if it doesn’t go out until.
07:46.23
Jason
Um, right.
07:58.28
Craig
Um, all days are blurs day to me. It’s Wednesday if it doesn’t go out until tomorrow who cares? Um, so yeah I really found it freeing to move away from a schedule but you’re right I believe I have completely torpedoed any chance of having a popular show and I was like okay I mean.
08:16.34
Jason
Well no, you didn’t you can get always get back on track. There’s always there’s always a next day. Oh I’m just saying like you can be like every Wednesday this is coming out I don’t hell or high water.
08:18.80
Craig
Maybe I don’t do it hey now I’m not off track I’m just kidding. yeah yeah I mean and there’s so many other ways to to become. Um. Beholden to a schedule without actually killing yourself. They can say I’m doing 12 episodes twelve Wednesdays and that’s the end of season one when I realized you could do seasons which have been around forever when Craig realized that you could do seasons we were like on this Wednesday schlog that our team was like struggling with and then I was like hey guys we could.
08:43.24
Jason
Um, yes.
08:55.38
Craig
Like just stop in November and call at the end of season and and actually I went shit. This should be the end of season 3 and I went and I re-edited them like you know the the feedries so put them all in seasons I’m like hey let’s stop and take a break. Um, so there’s so many tricks you could be like let’s just call it seasons. Let’s the seasons are 12 so have you have you had.
09:02.80
Jason
Oh did you? ah.
09:13.96
Craig
Different ones of your clients want to do different things with seasons.
09:16.11
Jason
No, but we actually did that with threats my podcast that’s retired when I got a new host I was like let’s do seasons and we didn’t relabel anything. We just went January February March took April off. May June July took August off like just we did three months on one month off three months on and but we didn’t relabel anything but we always let our let our you know listeners know hey this is you know this is last episode for the season we’ll see in a month and then we would go.
09:34.21
Craig
Um, ah, um, nice.
09:45.55
Jason
Like we had Patreon too but we would like turn Patreon off for that next month like we wouldn’t charge anybody and then we dark dark like we yeah I’m not going to charge people if I’m not going to provide content for them. You know I’m just like it’s not like it was a huge Patreon think we had like 5 people but still I’m like.
09:50.89
Craig
Um, who that’s the moral high road nice I do yeah I think I have 7 yes exactly. But.
10:04.52
Jason
Yeah.
10:06.55
Craig
But I think those people are okay with helping me pay for the ongoing hosting fees to run the.
10:08.33
Jason
They probably would be but I just I would feel so guilty like I’ve had I’ve had people bill me for a month because I of course as a fan I am I’m spent twenty bucks a month on Patreon for different shows but they’ve not done anything and I’m just like.
10:22.25
Craig
Yeah, yeah, don’t think about it don’t um, it’s the creator’s mindset I think if you you know people listening ask you me if 1 is the type of person who thinks of what we are doing right here right now as creating something.
10:26.13
Jason
Whatever I don’t care I Love you guys anyway. So.
10:40.13
Craig
Then anytime we know that somebody is creating. We know they’re creating even when it doesn’t come out. It’s like in the back of their head. They’re working on those episodes. So I think that if you have that creator mindset then you’re thinking about it the way you and I do um and maybe other people don’t think about it that way. But I don’t know.
10:47.45
Jason
Um, of course.
10:53.89
Jason
Um, yeah.
11:00.00
Craig
I’m trapped in my first person does anybody else have the experience that they’re stuck in their own head and everybody is ah.
11:03.40
Jason
Yeah, ask my wife oh my gosh I start having conversations with her because I’ve already been 3 minutes in my head and she’s like wait. What are you talking about? I’m like oh sorry, let me back up right? yeah.
11:12.76
Craig
Sorry, you’re missing the tape here’s the tape here’s the playback. Yeah yeah, there are so many fun things about ah like having the chance so that my train of thought is about how having somebody who is not in your head can really help you break out of trains of thought. So having a chance to talk to I’m I’m trying to all lure somebody I’m not going to say their name I’m trying to lure somebody to helping me start a show. The 15 minute thing that I was talking to Jason about so I’m trying to lure somebody to starting a completely different kind of show that I haven’t done before and part of what excites me is the opportunity to.
11:32.49
Jason
Um, yeah.
11:42.31
Jason
Um, me.
11:49.76
Craig
Want to say partly sucker punch somebody into podcast but get them interested in it so that I can get a fresh mind like they’re not going to have any of the preconceived notions. So um, do you are you generally working alone when you’re doing like post-production and hook or like do you have.
11:58.29
Jason
Um, yeah.
12:07.51
Craig
Um, to say cohorts and crime you know as a joke.
12:09.51
Jason
Yeah I do have a partner in the business. Um, he doesn’t do any of the post-production or anything. He’s just kind of um he helps with like the taxes and he’s a business owner himself so he has a lot. Yeah I mean he he’s never been.
12:19.43
Craig
Um, yeah, more like a silent partner. Yeah.
12:25.49
Jason
Part of that at all like if if I got sick and he had to edit. It’s not gonna happen I got it I got a guy that I subcontract for I Actually do some editing for so another editor um I was like hey man if I get sick. He’s like yeah no problem to send me the file. So ah, but no I don’t um.
12:36.52
Craig
Um.
12:38.80
Craig
Yeah, it was like a camaraderie.
12:43.82
Jason
I don’t have a lot I’m in a couple of groups. Ah that I communicate in I bought this program I don’t know a year ago went through it with a guy and then um he created like a whole community online and. Didn’t charge for the people that like believed in him early so I had this whole like 20 people and he’s so he’s been so helpful like I can message him he is on the west coast of the timing. It’s a little weird but that’s where I get a lot of my ideas and stuff and things of like I was just on an hour call with him on how to.
13:02.63
Craig
Um.
13:16.25
Jason
What do I need to do with my business to to make it pop more you know so um, but yeah I don’t really have anyone in my like real life like where I talk to every day that yeah exactly that really knows anything about podcasting at all.
13:24.31
Craig
Um, yeah, immediate bubble.
13:30.28
Craig
Yeah, my wife is this I mean she probably knows more about podcasting than she would like to know about. But yeah, we don’t we don’t generally talk shop and I I do also have 3 silent partners kind of like that that are involved and are engaged and um.
13:35.82
Jason
Um, exactly hundred percent
13:47.51
Craig
If you remember the old Dilbert cartoon where there’s you know Dilbert and wally or like drinking coffee and a manager appears with a bungee cord on his back and the manager comes flying into the frame and he goes hi I’m going to manager real quick. Let’s change everything before I have to when the bungee code pulls him back out of the frame. Like this you know he shows up and and wally and Delbert just never move is like this new manager and then he goes away and I think the people that are involved with me in the business side of it think I’m that I show up like I have a guitar podcast but they can body super film them then I’m gone you know and they’re just like ah something.
14:04.43
Jason
Um, yeah, yeah.
14:18.19
Jason
Yeah, yeah, what just happened? Yeah I near check by.
14:22.90
Craig
Mean money? What’s going What was there a question you know? Yeah, Ah, ah yes, exactly? Um, but I you know going back to the creative side of it. Um I mean we could I could make a talk shop about post-production all day but but going back to the creative side of it. Did you always think of podcasting as because you really agreed me agreed with me when I said it’s a creator’s mindset. Did you always think of podcasting as being creative like you know, go back to when you were a podcast consumer and you’re listening. Were you thinking? dude these people are creative and then there was a transition for you were like wait I’m creative and then you made the thing or did you like.
14:52.90
Jason
Um.
15:01.20
Craig
I I Love the creativity part of this and I’m wondering if there was a mindset shift for you around the creativity part.
15:05.47
Jason
Yeah, I’m gonna break your heart because I don’t feel like I’m creative at all I don’t think when I listened to podcasts I didn’t look at as them creating I mean because like I’m listening to to shows like this you know like me and you. We’re not… It’s not like a storytelling podcast you know or a crime podcast. Whatever yeah, it’s not structured so it’s just like I didn’t look at them as creatives and even when I talk to my wife I’m like I don’t feel creative and she’s like but but you are like you’re talking and you’re thinking and you’re creating like.
15:22.63
Craig
Um, yeah, unstructured.
15:34.77
Craig
Yes, yes.
15:40.20
Jason
Things and I was like I don’t look at it like that I just look at like I’m having a conversation now when I edit I feel like I’m more of a creator there because I’m creating this file of like it was horseshit at the beginning but now is less horseshit still horseshit but it’s less. You know what I mean.
15:55.88
Craig
Um, dude I call what you guys do sculpting. Let’s elevate the language sculpting here’s a block of marble. Oh my god somewhere. There’s something good in your York chip chip chip chip tip tip tip tip chip sh yeah okay horseshit or shit.
16:01.21
Jason
Um, no salty.
16:07.63
Jason
Oh no, you give us too much credit. Yeah I I always tell my clients like what is it it? Um, ah to think of it. But it’s a saying like this is um, you give me a pile of shit. Oh that’s it. You can give me this pile of audio. That’s a pile of shit I can polish this pile of shit but it’s still going to be a pile of shit. You know what I mean just like you know that’s why I coached them on like Mike placement and stuff like that because like it’ll make not only make my job easier but because some of the stuff you know you can’t fix. You can only fix so much I mean it’s just.
16:25.36
Craig
Um, yeah, ah.
16:36.93
Craig
Yeah, yeah, they wander away if I wander over here and then it’s like wreck it and it’s like that’s wrong, where’d the bottom Go oh haa.
16:39.81
Jason
You know. Well well actually I can fix that with some software if it yeah I mean it. It’s It’s a leveler that runs like full like during the entire file Now. It’s going to it can be if you just did that quick like this and then came back. It might spike it. It.
16:54.20
Craig
No.
17:00.56
Craig
You might oversteer? yeah.
17:01.78
Jason
You know what? I mean there’s too much of a play. Yeah, but if it was like all of a sudden you know the mic went away like this and like for the most part if it’s not ridiculous, The software will help that a little bit so that’s kind of the secret. There’s a lot of software on the back end which a lot of it I don’t know I I mean it takes.
17:08.80
Craig
Yeah, sometimes you can save it.
17:21.33
Jason
I Mean when you’re talking like you’re a surgeon with the software like that takes just like anything. It takes a lot of practice and I don’t have a ton of that So most my software is just a blanket piece of software that does the whole file instead of just like you know trying to get this because like you.
17:23.40
Craig
Yes.
17:36.51
Craig
Um, that’s what I do ah Auto Levels O you know and them.
17:39.70
Jason
Yeah, but I meticulously go through a lot of like if I hear a mouth noise and it didn’t pick up with the software I will cut it like I will not just let it go I Just won’t do it because it’s just a pet peeve of mine is mouth noises.
17:47.70
Craig
Oh.
17:55.70
Craig
I do not like my brother in law calls it stirring Mac and cheese and it’s just oh no make it stop? Um, but I’ve just learned to ignore it and I keep a glass of water and if I need to tell.
17:59.65
Jason
Um, oh the makes me Cre says thinking about it.
18:08.37
Jason
Yeah, you know it’s frustrating and I don’t know if you consume a lot of podcasts. But there’s a show and I actually sent send them I sent them a soliciting email and they’re popular and I I actually found him on Tiktok. Great show.
18:10.42
Craig
Turn my head you know oh God yes.
18:25.76
Jason
They got mouth noises on their show I’m like this can be solved by software and some light editing I know you’re paying you have somebody in your studio I guarantee it. Yeah, it’s just like what are you doing it. You’re not you’re not Joe Rogan famous so it’s like I don’t know it just so frustrating to me when people.
18:34.33
Craig
Um, something it’s in the credits right now. Yeah.
18:45.23
Jason
A little bit of work could clean all that up and it’s not being done. It’s like come on.
18:47.51
Craig
Um, yeah, well maybe it’s an unknown unknown you might have done them a huge favor by St Guy you know that’s a.
18:53.35
Jason
Ah I probably did they ignored my email but maybe they went to their editor and like dude you know once you pointed out like I pointed out I ah taught might not taught my wife but she didn’t know what vocal fry was and I I taught I pointed it out and she goes I Hate you.
18:59.26
Craig
Um.
19:06.10
Craig
Um, oh yes, Yes, thank you for breaking the world. Yeah, once you hear let’s hear a defect. Yeah.
19:10.76
Jason
Because like now when some people do it. She’s just like I hate you that you pointed that out it right? And that’s the same thing with the mouth noises those hosts maybe never even realized it because they probably don’t even listen to their own stuff because I don’t I edit it and like I’m not going to listen to the finished copy.
19:25.85
Craig
Ooh That’s a good question I I will admit that I do listen to my own stuff I have this wacky way of randomly falling over my older episodes and I’ll say two things and then I want to know what your opinion about back listening to your own work is um one I am.
19:41.93
Craig
I’m always surprised at actually how good they are I’m like and not most of it is the guest talking but it’s like wow that really works and then the other part is like I’m still cringing every time I say something it’s like shut up Craig so what are your thoughts on why don’t you listen to your own work or just no time.
19:48.28
Jason
Um, yeah, oh yeah.
19:57.20
Jason
No I mean well yeah, that’s part of it I think it’s always an imposter syndrome I had that with my clients too. They’re just like they can’t get. They can’t start their first episode because they don’t like the sound of their voice and I don’t and I look even when I add it I’m just like I’ve learned to like just ignore it. You know what? I mean it doesn’t bother me anymore.
20:10.50
Craig
Mm. Yes, yes.
20:17.10
Jason
But yeah I just thought I don’t know why like I already recorded it I listened live and then I edited it. Why would I want to listen to it to a third time but it probably is good to do because you may find things that you’re doing that. Maybe your host isn’t gonna tell you or your fans aren’t gonna tell you because.
20:34.50
Craig
Um, retire.
20:35.80
Jason
They love you and you listen to it which I think I would catch in editing but just be like oh gosh I got to stop that like why do I keep you know I say yeah, a lot like in an interview I have to be learned like when you’re talking I need to just be quiet but I be yeah yeah, I’m like oh my god Jason stop doing that. But. Yeah I think I I just don’t want to listen to it for a third time.
20:56.68
Craig
Um I I Yeah i’ say I don’t want to listen and it’s because I feel like I I heard the conversation alive but ah I’m just I’m just saying when I listen to stuff back I realized I didn’t hear the conversation I mean like I was listening but I there’s.
21:11.91
Jason
Um, yeah.
21:14.85
Craig
Freedom of not having to think while listening like you did doing this on the mic you have to think a little bit and there’s a lot of freedom in listening.
21:17.81
Jason
Um, yes.
21:23.23
Jason
You know what I find I use the wrong word but I didn’t hear it live so when I’m editing it I was like ah and then no one called me out on it. My host didnt like my co-host did it I’m just like because they know what I meant but it’s like oh Jason cheese. Yeah.
21:29.54
Craig
Um.
21:35.43
Craig
Yeah, did you mean to say don’t call for you. Yeah, exactly.
21:40.61
Jason
Yeah, it’s terrible I like get so frustrated myself when the wrong word comes out but and then I don’t even catch it because I’m like talking so fast and excited. It’s just like Ram where I’m I’m gone.
21:47.24
Craig
Yeah, yeah, there’s a lot of energy that you I think could hosts that you know you clearly are putting into the breeding the body language and and doing other things. Random here’s a random question have you had any experience with. People giving you audio. That’s recorded with versus without video. So I’ve encountered a couple’ve been guested on some shows where they’ve wanted to turn the video off and then we literally just like is that Terry Gross does that record audio only like have you had that and do you feel like there’s any difference in the audio quality.
22:24.17
Jason
I Don’t think I’ve had that myself from a client but I’ve done it as ah as a host and I hate not having video. It’s so hard I hate it. It’s like you don’t know when people are like.
22:29.77
Craig
Oh thank God I Hate it too.
22:36.62
Jason
Ready to talk because like if you if I see you like open your mouth I’ll be like okay I need to back off or whatever you know what? I mean just just yeah yeah, or yeah, if you’re like having an asthma attack and you mute it I’m going to fill time while you recover you know what? I mean like that kind of stuff. But.
22:41.84
Craig
Um, you know or if I’m going. No, there’s a delay. Um.
22:52.24
Craig
Ah, yeah.
22:56.27
Jason
Um, no video is so important I tell my clients that like if you’re going to just don’t record it. The only problem is these people don’t understand the amount of bandwidth you need for recording and sometimes like you you mentioned New Zealand in the pre-show I do have a fan from New Zealand and in my other show and.
23:03.70
Craig
Yes. Are.
23:15.50
Jason
Man when we record ah with her. We’ve done it 2 or 3 times I like we have to turn the video off because it’s just you know I mean you everyone thinks? Well yeah, everyone thinks wi-fi is great and I think it is mostly yeah I know.
23:19.88
Craig
Prefer that one yeah reality. No no, no, no no wires wires everything needs to have a wire need. Yeah well that.
23:32.69
Jason
But the problem is these new macbooks. They don’t have ethernet ports like it’s wi-fi only and everyone gets a new Macbook and I’m like do you have ethernet. They’re like what’s that I’m like mount here we go? yeah.
23:42.64
Craig
Yeah, they make it They make a dongle look it up plug in the usbc good evening. Yeah no I’m a huge this I’m standing in front of an imac. That’s all my desktop and it’s wired ethernet I had to drag the cable through the house and it’s a high-end cable. You know internet speed and um I do a lot of stuff like I.
23:51.85
Jason
Yeah, me too.
23:58.88
Jason
Um, but I still have trouble. Yeah I mean even with wired. So anyways.
24:00.65
Craig
Oh yeah, stuff still goes wrong. Yeah cool. Ah, any last parting thoughts. Um, we didn’t do diddly munch about domain names. So first thing I want to know is tell me the name of the production company because I think I saw you have like a hey click here for 15 minutes of free. Chitchat talk with Jason which I think people should do so what’s the domain name and the name of the production company. Cool. Are you.
24:20.15
Jason
Um, yeah, it’s it’s hey guysmediagroup.com and that’s the name of the production company. Well there’s of the the state says says of Michigan Lllc but we don’t put that.
24:35.59
Jason
It was weird. They made us do that I don’t know what it was I think someone had the name or something I don’t know but ah yeah, hey guys Media group. Yeah.
24:41.70
Craig
Um I will be sure to link that That’s cool and um the two shows that the one that is still going and the one that you finished are yeah.
24:48.41
Jason
Yes, ah, the gig economy podcast that is about gig work. So that’s uber doordash lyft um, instacart. We basically twice a month we do a news podcast of like what’s going on the other two. Ah. Podcasts are we interview a gig worker and a gig creator like on Youtube and stuff like that. Um, just to see you know they’re off the gig workers and the second half that ones. Ah usually 30 minutes we talk about why you create what sets you a apart? What kind of content you like to do that kind of stuff. So.
25:08.10
Craig
Oh neat.
25:22.91
Craig
Um.
25:23.89
Jason
Ah, that one you can go to ah gigconomieshow.com and then the other one was threadspo which we talk preshow like I kind of want to go back to it because I miss the conversations like ah if you listen to that show I know if you if you listen that show from beginning to end I actually.
25:35.50
Craig
Um, build something new. Yeah, build something new.
25:42.45
Jason
I went through a lot of therapy during that four or five years I mean I have my different person like it’s it’s really interesting to hear. Um the story on that. But yeah, that one was threads podcast life unfiltered. So.
25:54.77
Craig
How long do you think you’ll keep that on the internet because it isn’t free I know people who balk it that oh okay, goal and all right. You’ve heard it. You’re committed $60 a year that show stays up forever because I hate one. My favorite shows.
26:00.32
Jason
It’s five bucks a month I can keep that forever. And I will never go to a free a free one I’m just not a fan of free things I mean I am a fan of free things but I but I want to pay. Yeah.
26:13.95
Craig
I’m but I I agree with you I want to pay for the things that I’m using because otherwise I’m the product that’s being sold all right? Jason.
26:23.28
Jason
Um, exactly.
26:24.90
Craig
It was a distinct pleasure to meet you to hang out to jitchat. Um I do this because I love having cool conversations and I hope that you had a great time. So thank you for taking the time today.
26:32.41
Jason
Thank you for having me Craig this is great I love talking podcasting so I’ll come on anytime.