Staci Boden shares her journey from helping individuals turn dead ends into doorways to guiding leaders and change makers on their transformative paths through the art of following energy.
Summary
The question is, how do we navigate daily life. That’s really what following energy is about— it’s meant to be a practice to support individuals in learning how to navigate their daily lives while feeling connected with themselves.
~ Staci Boden ~18:28
An expert in somatic practices and a generous guide for those who’ve appeared in her life, Staci discusses her journey and the evolution of her podcast. Staci talks about her book, “Turning Dead Ends Into Doorways” and how her podcast transformed, becoming the “Following Energy” podcast. She emphasizes the importance of grounding oneself and paying attention to energy, which can lead to personal growth and a more compassionate world. Staci describes her role as a guide and change maker, supporting individuals and empowering them to make an impact, emphasizing the importance of taking life step by step.
Episode Audio
Takeaways
Following Energy and Grounding — The concept of “following energy” as a practical way to navigate life. The importance of grounding oneself, slowing down, and paying attention to the energy in the present moment.
Evolution of her Podcast — Evolving to focus on following energy and birth. This shift aligns with the need for a new paradigm in the world and reflects her commitment to supporting individuals in their personal growth journeys.
Empowering Change Makers — Her role as a generous guide supporting individuals to make an impact.
Resources
Staci Boden’s web site, https://dancing-tree.com
Her book, Turning Dead Ends Into Doorways
Her podcast website or search for “Following Energy Podcast” wherever you listen.
(Written with help from Chat-GPT.)
Transcript
00:00.52
Craig
Hello I’m Craig Constantine. Welcome to Podtalk short conversations with podcast creators that are not just about podcasting because I like to take the scenic routeut. My guest today is Staci Boden welcome Staci how are you this afternoon. You’re behind 3 hours but it’s still afternoon.
00:19.15
Staci
I’m good. Thank you for having me I really appreciate the invitation Craig.
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00:21.29
Craig
Thank you for not running away after our precall I’m a big fan of self- deferential humor. We talked obviously before we press record and let’s start by talking about as I always love to look for transitions. And you know how does podcasting change you but I’m I’m really interested in. You wrote a book. Um I’m going a guess up a top I think it was like nine years ago you wrote a book and then that book sort of I’m going to say came alive again in the new work that you’re doing so tell me just like what’s the title of the book. So people can. Know what we’re talking about and then tell me about what you’re doing and how that book has become or ah like reborn in this new energy. That’s a question.
01:08.97
Staci
Sure, yeah, no, so so I’m grateful that I was published. Um my book turning dead ends into doorways was published um about eleven years ago and ah, honestly even getting a book deal. What could be a whole. You know could be a whole story unto itself because I didn’t have a platform I didn’t have anything I just had a relationship with someone who ended up encouraging me and supporting me in developing a book proposal and then supported the book and getting published I don’t know that I would have even written a book. But um.
01:27.86
Craig
Whole show right? ah.
01:39.68
Craig
You.
01:45.17
Staci
I had a passionate really. The book is a love letter to the people that I was serving mostly women of different kinds of backgrounds who had shown up at my doorstep and um I was in service to them through through individual sessions and through groups and through something called following energy. And so they showed up at my doorstep I started holding space for them as an energy healer and a guide and wanted to get behind them in developing healing in their own way and when I started talking about this thing called following energy. They said to me what the hell is that and. Because I had studied earth-based ways I’m from San Francisco um I have spent most of my life there and I had found my way into these really you know crunchy earth based ways of healing and life and. Um, that involved energy healing that involved things like breath work that involved all of these kinds of um, embodied practices and so when I put my shingle out to start serving regular folk in San Francisco bay area and they came forward and I started talking about this stuff. They were thank god honest and like what the hell are you talking about and so therefore because of my frankly love for them for love for for what they needed in their lives that they weren’t getting through traditional therapy.
03:00.23
Craig
Um, yeah, maybe I should unpack some of this right.
03:14.70
Staci
We went on a journey together and it was through them that I began to explore what does it mean to follow energy inside of oneself and daily life and then I arrived at the invitation to create a book.
03:15.27
Craig
Oh.
03:29.48
Staci
Um, and a book proposal where I had to like sit down at my kitchen table literally and be like how the hell do I teach people to follow energy in a book for him and then these eight teachers landed and um and then from there I wrote the book and so that that was the journey of writing writing the book which is also.
03:35.99
Craig
But oh.
03:48.94
Staci
You know the journey of learning how to turn a dead end into a doorway is also a journey of transition moving through change life. Yeah.
03:52.97
Craig
Um, me.
03:59.31
Craig
That’s a decade ago and I haven’t written a book I don’t think I should but I guess at some point if it’s meant to be to me somebody will pull it out of me or hit me with a stick until I write it. But. I Understand that when you you know when you when you ship the book. It’s kind of like it’s out of my hands I mean like I may use it. But it’s not something that you can control anybody else’s opinion of you can’t. Let’s do another Edition. You can’t edit it. You can’t be like whoops I forgot this piece like this huge thing like there. It is. It’s a thing. Um and I’m guessing so you you ship it and then you must have gotten comfortable with that because that’s the only option you have comfortable with it and and then at some point the did. Which came first like did you have the idea for the program or did you find yourself going back to the book or do people have more questions like how did the book come back to life I don’t want to put words in your mouth. But I feel like that’s the story.
04:54.95
Staci
Okay, so it never really died what I would say is that material. You know I used it at the time we’re talking twelve years ago when I wrote it I used language that really. Didn’t exist back then I used word like embody was all over my book. I used word navigate. How do you navigate the unknown in daily life through learning how to follow energy and at the time people in the mainstream even didn’t understand any of that language at all and the book.
05:15.97
Craig
Um.
05:30.41
Staci
Was published and didn’t do great I didn’t have a great marketing platform I didn’t know much about Seth Godin’s work by then you know I just was following the energy of my life and the invitation to share something that had supported people around me and that I very much. Believed in and still believe in and so I began to teach that book because I it grew out of the work that I was doing in my daily life. The book was a written form of it and I continued to teach it in a lot of different ways and it it stayed with me you know, but I also do a lot of other things.
05:54.65
Craig
And.
06:07.64
Staci
So it wasn’t foreground in my life. It was just periodically I would do a three month thing you know, periodically I would do a ten month thing periodically I would just do something that was about going on this journey of learning how to follow energy through this structured process of the 8 teachers that show up through that book. And so I was literally doing that in different ways while doing other things and then what happened was in 2019 when I wasn’t quite being so active with the book I um, this is kind of going to be also a love story for akimbo and a love story for.
06:37.26
Craig
Sleep.
06:44.99
Staci
Seth Godin’s work. Um I I found my way to the marketing seminar as a student and there um you know grew relationship with the amazing material there with the amazing people there.
06:45.91
Craig
Um, it’s a common theme a my noums it happens. It’s allowed.
07:03.54
Staci
And it was through that process that um, that really by the end of it. A podcast was born called turning dead dead ends into doorways which I named the same as my book because it wasn’t active at the time and then I started the podcast.
07:17.52
Craig
Um.
07:20.32
Staci
You know, called turning dead ends into doorways and then frankly when the pandemic hit and you know in 2020 turning dead ends into doorways became a really timely like yeah.
07:30.72
Craig
This is definitely Apro Poe right.
07:35.33
Staci
Yeah, the material really started to grow into itself on a whole other level and and so therefore I began to teach it even more actively and I’m staying with it now more actively because I love it.
07:44.86
Craig
Um, I think the greatest part about doing this is oh I only have 1 question with 37 parts. Ah, first of all the name of the book for people going wait what is turning dead ends into doorways and Staci I don’t want to get it wrong. Give me your website. So people can go and learn everything about you and get the book and all this stuff. What’s your domain name.
08:04.22
Staci
Um, it’s dancing dashtree.com so wwww.dancingdashtree.com
08:14.50
Craig
I have it written down but I’m just like nervous about screwing up people’s domain names because then I have to edit I don’t like to edit all right? So that’s first of all I recommend people go look at it. Um, from Staci’s website you can find the podcast and the podcast has recently changed its name and you’ve said. We we’ve touched on relationships like 4 times already and we need to talk about that but you changed your podcast. This is nominally a show about podcasting you changed your podcast name because you kind of change in what you’re doing with your show so you ah Mc Craig general what month is is October you. Basically changed in early August ah September just like three months ago do you probably thinking about it three months ago um what was going on what were you? What were you feeling or maybe what was pulling you like what in what directions did you feel pulled.
09:06.66
Craig
What were you feeling that made you think oh there’s something about my podcast show. That’s like either in the way or it’s the wrong shape because I think people who podcast that’s not uncommon for you to feel like once a year like this doesn’t feel right? So what were you feeling was not right about your show if I’m correct. She’s nodding or. What like because that leads you to the transition to the next part is like well what? what should it be? what? what? if it’s not this then? what.
09:34.80
Staci
So thank you for these great questions I appreciate it? Um, no, no no I love it I Love it I appreciate it? Um, again, so the name of my you know of my book is turning dead ends into doorways. But it’s an archetype. Ok.
09:37.65
Craig
If only I could ask just 1 right? ah.
09:50.20
Staci
So what does it mean to feel like you are hitting a you know you’re you’re in a dead end. You’re hitting your head against a wall and how do you transform that dead end into a doorway and that is definitely part of the process that I support people. Through you know, moving through that dead end into a doorway in their life. Okay, and I and I offer energy healing services and somatic wisdom and a lot of different kinds of embodied practices to support individuals and couples and groups and doing that and inside of all of that. Is following energy. The practice is following energy and it always has been and so it’s not so much that my podcast has changed but it has evolved into the truest expression of what it is which is. Teaching people or holding space for people to learn how to follow energy and to me like turning dead ends into doorways was kind of focusing almost on the death part of it really like the dead end you know and we’ve had a lot of death the last few years
10:57.87
Craig
Um.
11:02.28
Staci
And following energy getting behind something that is bigger than our minds and our egos to me is more of a process of birth and I wanted to hold my focus more on birth right now because I think we can I think that’s more supportive.
11:18.96
Craig
Sure.
11:20.64
Staci
Given where we are. We’re we’re still in in the same in my opinion we’re still navigating collectively the time of dead ends into doorways we’re in that in many ways in our culture in my opinion and personally I’m also a birth dua I Want to support the forward movement of.
11:30.20
Craig
Great.
11:39.61
Staci
What are all the different ways we can begin to practice embodying. Um a new paradigm a new way of being within ourselves and relationship with each other and relationship to work and life and leadership and so I wanted to focus on that and I also wanted to have more room. To follow the energy in my podcast by not only inviting individuals on to share their stories of following energy. But I’m actually calling in now other practitioners in potentially unrelated fields to have interesting conversations about.
12:08.98
Craig
Um, you mentioned right.
12:15.61
Staci
What is this thing called following energy and see if we can find some new language together.
12:24.63
Craig
part of part of what I’m doing in podcasting is often therapy for Craig. Um, I’m super analytical like very detail oriented I think before we press record I was talking about. You know, don’t get distracted by the finger when someone’s trying to point at the moon I’m very much like of a process like. Which finger are we using and in which way your hand-orented. So I really enjoy in these conversations I have with people I really enjoy the experiential part like the I don’t know where we’re going and actually we’re not going anywhere like at the end we won’t have gone anywhere like it’s just like it’s just the experience. So when I was listening to I was going to say trailer but podcast technology. We don’t have trailers for seasons. We haven’t done that yet the first episode of season 3 is effectively a trailer for the variation of the show and it begins with you. Um I don’t know if I should spoil it. Begins with you leading people into experience it like like don’t drive off the road. But if you can’t enc closese your eyes let’s breathe together. Um, and I I love first of all I love that to me that feels like breaking the fourth wall when you say now closeure don’t drive off the road because we know people are listening in cars but it when you. That experience that you gave of leading people into leading me into creating some more space and slowing down and breathing that is something that I think really helps and it’s because we had a conversation about coughing that I have to cough so much I think that creating that space for people in podcasts.
13:57.82
Craig
It’s very easy for people to just walk away. But I think it’s really helpful to say all right. This is going to be a show about like movement and we’re going to not really talk about much for the first few minutes and this is going to be a show about discussing politics. But maybe we could just like sit together and just kind of like point out things that we see you know like. That isn’t I think that isn’t done enough in general in life and I think that leads to disconnection. But that’s maybe another discussion so I just want to say I really liked where you’re going where I feel like you’re going with the new season. Um, and if you’re thinking. I kind of want more nuts and boltsy stuff. Craig you know if you’re thinking Craig I want more nuts and boltsy stuff from Staci I think it’s um I ah was a real eyeopener for me when I started to realize that I actually think it’s enjoyable and if I don’t have the time to sit and have an experience with a podcast host. Maybe I should look at. The part where I think I don’t have the time rather than picking different podcasts. So I I really thought it was a valuable or and an engaging mix of you holding space and of course it’s it’s always like layers like I’ve talked to you so I kind of know who you are so it was like oh this is what I would expect Staci to do.
14:53.58
Staci
I am.
15:09.66
Craig
But maybe if you’ve never someone’s never heard you before that might be a very unusual thing to suddenly be asked to sit with or sit in space with somebody else you know and maybe I should listen to podcasts sometimes when I’m not driving when I’m just sitting or standing or walking or whatever. Um.
15:28.87
Staci
Um, well yeah, no I Want to say thank you for noticing that that ah that for me that that that starting off it’s actually a very quick settling that I do and I have always done that not only in podcasting. But.
15:29.10
Craig
Right? I’m often a ramble anything.
15:44.72
Staci
You know when I sit with people when I sit with groups the training that I have is to always start with what we call a grounding and some people call a settling of oneself. So therefore it would make sense for me to be myself in holding space for potential listeners.
15:52.81
Craig
Um.
16:03.93
Staci
For us to just take a moment and just breathe through our nose and into a friendly place in our bodies and I want to do it and it’s very from my perspective and all honesty. It’s very light. It’s a very light thing because I’m not with them because I’m aware people do um, listen to podcasts in motion as do I. And I want to be responsible I Want to you know I recognize the body can hold a lot and so I want to be responsible that way. But I Also want us to be like hey this is about grounding into oneself and for me this is a following energy is a body based practice. So therefore I want to bring that in right away.
16:40.46
Craig
Um.
16:40.95
Staci
And that’s why I So That’s why I do. That’s why I start it off with just a really like it’s just like a couple minutes. It’s not super in depth. But it’s a way for us to kind of find a place inside of ourselves to start to really listen to um you know, not just. Not just the conversation. But what’s going on inside of ourselves which is what I hope some of these you know podcasts episodes will do is inspire people to check in with themselves and learn and grow.
17:09.73
Craig
Yes, please more of that I think that opportunities to I’m going to say reset. But that’s kind of like the active. It’s whatever the inverse of actively resetting would be the relaxing into you know what? I. You know what? you’re talking about. But I’m just to make sure everybody else is following along the idea of like relaxing into that reset. Um and in my head like the metaphor is like. Key changes through the day. The key goes up and then everything gets a little more hectic and the thing and if I’m not paying attention then all of a sudden we’re up here and then it’s like 3 in the afternoon and I’m going ribs like so having those opportunities to like relax to me kind of reminds me of like key changes like could we go back to the default. Where’s my resting heart rate where are we or.
17:47.93
Staci
Um, and now.
17:58.30
Craig
So I Ah um.
17:58.42
Staci
Yeah, well people talk a lot these days about you know settling 1 ne’s regular you know settling one’s ah you know system right? that we’re all dysregulated in this world. That’s the way the therapists talk about it I’m not a psychotherapist but I’ve been in this you know, healing realm for for over 20 years and so therefore yeah.
18:03.82
Craig
You know? oh absolutely. We’re dysregulated chemically too from how much what’s the the stimulants and the weed Killer come on brain.
18:15.92
Staci
Ah, yeah, absolutely stimulants Everything we’re doing right? So and glyphosate do ah.
18:23.57
Craig
What’s the I can’t think of that. Thank you, We’re all swimming in that and microplastic Anyway, keep going.
18:28.86
Staci
You want to know so the question is is how do we navigate daily life. That’s what that’s really what following energy is about is it’s meant to be a practice to support individuals in learning how to navigate their daily lives while feeling connected with themselves.
18:35.38
Craig
Yeah.
18:47.40
Staci
While feeling more connected with what’s showing up while you know being of service as a parent or to your work or to leadership and to still feel more balanced inside because frankly when we’re in that spinning caffeinated as much as I like coffee you know spinning caffeinated space right? and which is very mental.
18:51.78
Craig
Yeah.
19:02.24
Craig
I.
19:06.93
Staci
And not dropping down into our hearts or let’s say our bellies then we’re not necessarily making the wisest decisions. We’re not necessarily being the most empathic or kind or compassionate. So therefore if we’re trying to create a better world.
19:14.43
Craig
Um.
19:23.83
Staci
For ourselves and our families and our friends and our loved ones if we can actually learn how to regulate ourselves quickly through just breathing just remembering to breathe and slow ourselves down for a moment then I hope it contributes to a kinder way for for each person and therefore the world right? so.
19:37.94
Craig
No, it has to it has to.
19:42.85
Staci
You know as much as I support things like meditation and you know going away on Retreats I’m really about making energy healing practical. You know that that actually there’s this thing called energy that lives inside all of us and if we can begin to learn how to pay attention to it. It can actually come alive.
19:49.31
Craig
There. And.
20:01.12
Staci
And talk to us and guide us and show us and actually expand um conversations that we have with ourself and with daily life and each other and if we can actually start to pay attention to energy that it ah that it has the potential to bring us somewhere that may be our little. Minds and Egos haven’t figured out yet and it could be a much better Place. So I Really believe in an offering up following energy as something practical that also can be life changing.
20:24.14
Craig
Um.
20:38.92
Craig
There’s nothing I can say in response to that. That’s awesome. Um I’m watching our time tick and people know I say that about 20 minutes I’m torn I want to ask I have 2 things I want to ask they’re completely well, they’re related but they’re different 1 of them is the idea of. At some point on your journey because like I listen to enough that like okay start in college and then you become you discovered these things you’re moving along all of a sudden one day youllre like hey these are my words not Staci’s you look behind you and there are people who like ask new questions or showing up at your doorstep. Um, so there’s a transition that one goes through or or. Might resist and then eventually be shoved through to become a teacher but I’m not a big fan of the word teacher because that’s like the 1 way thing and there are cases where there’s definitely teaching but there’s also this like hey how about if I hope I’m the person who organize the meeting you know and that doesn’t really make me the teacher. So I’m curious about that transition. Um, and then the other thing is we haven’t really dug into um maybe what relationships have blossomed for you since you’ve started podcasting. That’s another completely different thing that we could talk about but maybe maybe I’m curious most about the teacher. But that’s the wrong word the holder of space. The.
21:53.14
Staci
Practicing being a change maker and a leader. Maybe um I don’t like I’m not crazy about the word teacher either just because the way I’ve been taught because my teachers who I sat with in the beginning twenty five years ago they sat with people from you know, original places indigenous folks. Okay, those are my teachers teachers and there’s an element of you know learning how to be humble right and learning how to.
22:19.53
Craig
Yeah, isn’t it funny How we’re comfortable talking about our teachers. But that means that the people behind us should do the same thing right? So it’s like it’s I feel like it’s a prerequisite if you’re not uncomfortable saying teacher and you haven’t quite got the lesson.
22:32.43
Staci
Well, but it’s I what I would say is it’s something I’ve learned how to relax into and that I never set out to be frankly, a leader or a teacher I simply felt called to be of service to.
22:37.76
Craig
Um.
22:42.16
Craig
And.
22:48.86
Staci
Um, to the to to the people that were showing up across from me who were needing a lot of support and not getting answers through traditional psychotherapy for their anxiety or their relationship issues. Um, or yeah, they weren’t getting those answers and they needed another way.
22:57.87
Craig
Yeah, their or their household or their family right.
23:05.94
Staci
And so I I frankly showed up from a place of love service. You know, healthy Love Boundary Love but love wanting to get behind their healing and not assuming to know what that means because when you when you follow energy. You have to let go of everything you think you know and be teachable and and so.
23:10.17
Craig
Um.
23:23.93
Craig
Um.
23:25.74
Staci
I didn’t set out to be a teacher or a leader I simply showed up to be of service and started to track things and notice things and then name things and then it just so happens that I that people start to ask me to to not just hold spaces for individuals but to start to hold groups. And then I started to just kind of put things out there and then I and then I discovered that I was also good at organizing also good at back end coordinating that I happen to just be you know for anybody knows astrology I’m a vergo rising I’m detail oriented and so I could do the backend stuff and I’m also a writer. So All of those things started coming together so that I could help create the group or the weekend or the series to offer people an opportunity to come forward and gather and then yes somebody needed to show up and Facilitate. So I Actually definitely am a group seasoned. Facilitator and I hold a place for teachings to come through and I am certainly relaxed in my authority at this point of deep relationship with that material right? And so yeah, there’s an element of teaching that will come through me but it’s not to me. It’s It’s a. You know I Always do my best to give credit to my teachers to give credit to whatever is coming through to the energy that is showing up and name that and I I Certainly people people call me teacher for sure and it’s more about how can I be of service to folks.
24:58.42
Staci
Through holding these points of leader leadership and change making um and teaching and that’s also why you know there’s the shift into following energy as well and you know from the podcast to kind of come full circle.
25:15.56
Staci
I’ve been having a convergence more and more in my life of after holding space for the folks who need to turn dead ends into doorways in their lives I have a whole private practice with clients and couples and I still have that and what’s happened organically over the last ten years is I’ve started to find myself. Holding space for leaders and change makers to get behind them with how they are out in the world and the reason why I’m jazzed about that and a big yes for that is because it offers an opportunity to support the leaders and change makers in feeling more.
25:37.77
Craig
M.
25:53.22
Staci
Peaceful and balanced and in their zone of Genius inside of themselves so that they can go out. Yeah to go out and effect more change. So the practical person in me really likes supporting those folks because we are in an all you know hands on.
25:55.43
Craig
Yeah, they’re empowered.
26:06.42
Craig
No hands on deck.
26:08.78
Staci
All hands on deck right now for collective transformation in my opinion and I want to get behind as many you know, leaders and change makers in in feeling whole not having to sacrifice themselves in order to make a contribution as possible.
26:26.32
Craig
Yeah there’s a bunch in there to unpack. Um, not least of which is the point about the only thing that’s ever going to change the world is you know impassioned individuals who care 1 by 1 leading um and having the smarts or having the foresight to be like you know sometimes I go I’m not really sure what to do about that big problem. But I think that if I make the world a better place so people have more time or more you know do something else then that frees somebody else to work on some other problem that’s closer to the problem that I have no clue how to attack. Um, you know, whatever specific spun wants to fill in so because the ah the opposite of that is if you haven’t realized that you kind of need to work at that. Force multiplier thing. The opposite is just that increasing pitch frenzied panic I have to do everything in ill way I’m going to get it all done but and then just like that doesn’t work. Well that ends badly all right? um.
27:14.22
Staci
Well, that’s why I actually love following energy as well is because it’s it’s all about following things step by step by step. Okay, and it’s not that you don’t have a big vision. So with the way I teach people to follow energy is is we come up with an intention and an intention isn’t just about. Like some some will based manifestation that you want. It’s actually a conversation that you want to have with yourself in daily life and so I invite people to come up with a 1 word intention that they want to live into like I have an intention that I work with every year you know a different one every year this year is connection and.
27:47.40
Craig
Um.
27:49.72
Staci
Through learning how to get behind that intention and learning how to see what that intention is going to teach us. We learn how to follow energy step by step by step. So you’re holding a larger vision of something but the practice of it comes through each moment in our lives. And it becomes a great way to learn how to not get so far ahead of everything which is what happens with a spinning mind what happens with um, getting stuck in control or fear is it takes us ahead of everything and often we end up stuck or overwhelmed. So. It’s just not really productive to me control is not resilient. So if we realize control is an illusion and it’s time to let that go and we start off with listening to our hearts and paying attention to what we need to or what we want to learn through working with an intention.
28:26.10
Craig
Definite. Yeah.
28:40.89
Staci
And then we just make the best choice we can in each moment after a while those steps add up and they do something and they show us things that oftentimes I never could have predicted you know had I relied on my to do list as much as I like a to do list.
29:00.75
Craig
Um, well Staci. Um, that was everything I hope they would be I hate to always always hate to stop but need to stop somewhere and I think that’s a good place to stop. We say stop when it’s awesome that way you don’t have any bad endings.
29:01.54
Staci
Um, yeah.
29:07.55
Staci
Um, and funk and.
29:12.33
Craig
Um, so thank you so much for taking the time to jump in sort of like I don’t know this guy on a pre-call and then for hanging out some more while we were recording thanks for taking the time.
29:20.47
Staci
Thank you so much for having me. It’s been such a pleasure I Really appreciate your curiosity I Really appreciate how you like to I feel like we’ve been following the energy together by just being willing to roam around. So Thank you for inviting me on that journey with you today and I also just want to. Give a shout out again that if anybody wants to be in touch. Um I can be reached at wwww.dancingdashtree.com and that there if you sign up to get on my newsletter… There is a free minicourse Called. Um, how to start following energy but I also just love email because I enjoy Connecting. So. And I have imagined that if you know given who you are and what who I’m learning. You are that the people you walk with must be super awesome and I welcome All contact. So Thank you for that and thank you for inviting me.